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Swatt · Feb 10, 2007, 03:42 AM // 03:42

Ok i have a problem with GvG now.
My guild likes doing it but we hate losing, who doesnt. My problem is were not doing so well Ranked around 5000. Annoying thing is Were geting paired with rank 1k and less when thers not much of a chance we can beat them we get nothin from it and it lowers our rank. It is no fun playing these guilds and we cant improve our rank having half our battles like this. Anet needs to fix the ladder what are your thoughts on this?

nightrunner · Feb 10, 2007, 06:15 AM // 06:15

It might be that you're playing at odd times when there's less people playing, which means more rank gap between matches. You could also do a few unrated with a guild that you know is around your skill level.

PS. I love your avatar.

Morganas · Feb 10, 2007, 06:44 AM // 06:44

Yup the guild I'm in had this problem, and it has nothing to do with the matching system, there just aren't many guilds on at certain times.

Just don't play rated matches on monday through thursday nights. Play either in the early afternoon on weekdays, or anytime friday and saturday before 10pm PST. Also, though I'm not sure this helps, cancel and restart the search if it's taking too long.

Bankai · Feb 10, 2007, 08:38 AM // 08:38

Guilds ranked 1000-5000 don't play a lot usually. Therefore, there simply isn't anyone at all to be matched up with. You can also wait for 3 hours, but that's not a lot of fun, isn't it?

Tip: grab some builds from observer mode (preferrably not spike), make sure you don't use heroes/henchies, and just play. With experience you'll eventually get better. And stuff.

Makkert · Feb 10, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

the difference between rank 700 and rank 5000 is that the latter uses heroes and pve builds.
skillwise, i don't see much difference.

Yue · Feb 10, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Yeah...pay more attention to rating than rank. Generally rank 1k and 5k guilds have fairly close rating. Besides, most guilds under 1000 rating are fairly similar in skill and are new to gvg.

Thomas.knbk · Feb 10, 2007, 05:34 PM // 17:34

If you want to get better, don't accept people who say 'I'm not gonna change my build for you.'
As for the matching system, it's the choice between that or hour long waits. We have the same problem. We're around 200 (oh ok, we're 250) and we get paired with top 100 all the time.

lordelg · Feb 12, 2007, 07:59 AM // 07:59

luck you Mr. Amazing! we have slipped to r400's due to a successive run of top 100 guilds. it's getting really anoying to pres enter and keep seeing Rank < 100

Stixxx · Feb 12, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

highest we have seen the last couple days was rank 150. were around rank 300, so no complaining here

Xanthar · Feb 12, 2007, 09:39 AM // 09:39

According to Billiard (in a post on the QQ forum), the matching interval has been reduced to +-100 rating (not ranking). The matching interval is expanded to +-200 after two minutes and so on.

Presumably the interval will be reset back to +-200 again when the ladder diversifies a bit, but nothing certain has been said about that.

romO · Feb 12, 2007, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Xanthar beat me to it. Anyway, the reason that you're getting these matches is because the teams that you're playing are actually very close to you (at least within 50 points) in rating. Rank depends on rating, and rating is used to match teams. If you wanted matches to correlate with your rank, you would hardly ever get any matches because there are so many teams bunched up with similar ratings around 1000 and many of them hardly ever play.

taxed · Feb 13, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

The problem is that 100 rating points in a + or - 2 point system is a BIG gap. Think of it this way..one team at 1050 rating is about 25 games over the .500 mark and a 950 rating guild is about 25 games under .500. That is a HUGE change in skill level. In the past ladder, a rating difference of 200 was really much smaller than it is now. Now that the rating change has been reduced by a factor of 5, so should the search for a competator.

For example:
Our guild has this exact same issue. We were sitting nicely at about rank 400, our rating fluxuating between 1000-1010. Now, that's nothing great, but it's not horrid either. We typically play in prime time (us), around 10:00pm each night. A week ago on Saturday, we played 7 matches. 6 of them were against guilds that were rank 150 and better. Each one of them had ratings of over 1050 (heck one was about rank 45 the other was 14). We lost all 7, although some were close, sending our rating down to about 993. On the next night, we played 4 more matches, all but one were again against top 150 guilds. We lost 3/4 sending our rating down. By the time this run of matches finished (about 12/15 against guilds under rank 200) We dropped to a low of 983 before we came up against other guilds in the rank 3000 range, and rolled them all flawlessly. This shows that our rating does NOT show our skill level. I believe we will settle between 500 and 1000 as we typically beat guilds in this range regularly, but lose to guilds 300 and lower.

Each match against the high leveled guilds were set within 10 seconds of starting the search for play.

Basically the ladder is hopelessly broken at the moment. The gap for searching for a competator is still too large. It should start at + or - 25 (or 50) and expand by 25 rating points each minute until an opponent is found.

Clinically Proven · Feb 14, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

HA! You should try playing Australian/NZ "prime time".

Previously, all you got was the same 8 aussie guilds on rotation, really late top 20 guilds pushing hard on all-nighters to qualify for playoffs (no big deal, they roll right over and take stuff all rating) and all-star pugs (rating tankers).

Now, there's two aussie guilds on rotation and anywhere between 30 minutes to 90 minutes to get a match.

....and you reckon getting pounded sucks.

mazter · Feb 15, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

If you want to get better, don't accept people who say 'I'm not gonna change my build for you.'
As for the matching system, it's the choice between that or hour long waits. We have the same problem. We're around 200 (oh ok, we're 250) and we get paired with top 100 all the time.

dont complain..we are usually 500-1000 rank guild and have played already 3 times with u

Vexx007 · Feb 15, 2007, 07:41 AM // 07:41

We were ranked +- 400, we played PnH (Peace and Harmony) when they were still rank 2

Nortos · Feb 15, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

yeah got to agree with clinnacally proven i have had about 40 gvgs against br back when they were good about 30 with squee and then about 30 with guild drama when they were in top 100 and some korean guilds i cnt pronounce australian/nz guilds have the worst all my matches lately been AuS/Law/Wtf/Trex gets boring after a while.

croc · Feb 15, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35

we love playing the aussie guilds, just wish that they would play every night.
Atm I think we at Law are the only ones who do it nightly, which mean waits in excess of 1.5 hours are more often than I would like.

Billiard · Feb 15, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

It's going to be a while before there is enough ladder spread to make a huge difference for folks ranked 1000 - 5000 I think. There are 16 teams with rating above 1200, and the top 100 teams are just over 1100. This means that teams just on the ladder have a pretty good chance to be matched up with a top 200 to top 100 team, and even rank 5000 teams will be quickly matched with to 300 to top 200 teams (1070 to 1040 rating). If you play during less busy times (like I do), then your likelihood of seeing a top team is increased even more.

I expect that things will really only get better for the low ranked teams only when the Automated Tournaments come with their higher K-values.

Blame the Monks · Feb 15, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

In addition to what Billiard said, there is also the simple fact that top guilds play much more often than low ranked guilds (generally speaking). In fact I would bet the top 100 teams play more total GvGs than the bottom 5,000 guilds. The top 20 averages between 5-10 games played per day each, so just in terms who is playing at any given time you play top guilds disproportionately regardless of rating.

Huge skill disparity between opponents is no fun for anyone. Its frustrating as a high ranked guild to wait 20 minutes for a match only to get a rank 5k team you roll in three minutes. Or worse, to have an entire night without any competitive matches. And I know it can be frustrating for lower ranked teams to constantly feel like they are overmatched. Still, its a fact of life and probably won't go away, regardless of the system.

Clinically Proven · Feb 16, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nortos

yeah got to agree with clinnacally proven i have had about 40 gvgs against br back when they were good about 30 with squee and then about 30 with guild drama when they were in top 100 and some korean guilds i cnt pronounce australian/nz guilds have the worst all my matches lately been AuS/Law/Wtf/Trex gets boring after a while.

Go go go go trex alliance partners, you should play [Acc] then you've had the whole tour

When's XoP going to break the monotony Billiard? We've been waiting too long!